drag MKIII american style!

[dualtips]

k i just wanna know what you guys would think of a mk3 supra with a like 800 hp small block chevy under the hood with two carbs coming out the hood? This is my dads "plan" for a drag car that he intends to start sometime soon.

Ray

[Deep_Blue]

If he's doing that, he should use a MKII. It's lighter. Otherwise I'm indifferent.

[Supra_devil]

mk2 with a narrowed ford 9" rear axle.

[bboy_leathel]

i disagree beacuse it my mkIII that he want to us and the no way he's tearing my car apart for his fantacy

[Deep_Blue]

That's why you need to suggest to him the benefits of using Ray's MKII. Then no worries. Well, except for Ray, he'd be screwed.

Cheers,

Tim

[dualtips]

he wants to use the mkIII because the chassis can handle the power and torque better and the suspension stufff is easy to get and wheels are a big concern also

[CanuckDave]

makes sense, the mkIII would be better for the application, for suspension and wheels etc. theres a lot more aftermarket around.
when you're making that much power and torque, weight isn't that big an issue.

[Deep_Blue]

Weight is ALWAYS an issue. That's why the God of racing invented ballasts :good:

Okay, cut up the MKIII I guess. We just can't ignore it's obvious superiority.

*FLAME SUIT ACTIVATED*

Cheers,

Tim

[dualtips]

oh, it will be striped! it will! LOL

Ray

[CanuckDave]

striped? NOOO don't do it, a solid colour would look much better ;) :lol:

[bboy_leathel]

no it will be one color but the interior will be striped and other things that arn't important like the ac

[Supra_devil]

um, ok a mk2 can get all the suspension and rim parts easily too. hell for the right number i have some very light weight rims i would sell for a drag car, with 8" rear rim width. suspension is simple, ST springs with spacers in the rear to fight camber, and a negative camber mod to adjust it for better launches.

also i have videos of mk2's with 900hp doing 7 sec drag runs, the chassis can handle as much power as the mk3. and weight matters A LOT, especially when your talking about hundreds of lbs, hell there is a guy in BC with a sub 2500 lb mk2.


Your dad needs to do more research on what would be best fo rhis application.

[bboy_leathel]

thanks for the help glenn use a mkII not my car rays car

[CanuckDave]

no it will be one color but the interior will be striped and other things that arn't important like the ac

I know, I was just making fun of the spelling mistake

*stripped

and yes, power to weight ratio is incredibly important, I just meant that heavy cars CAN be fast, it just takes more power to get the same times.

[Supra_devil]

oh, i checked again, 7.61 at 278.

fiberglass front end, stripped interior. not sure what all else was done, cage and stuff obviously.

[CanuckDave]

damn.. what engine are they using?

[Supra_devil]

its a toyota 4 banger, pushing a shit load of boost.

[bboy_leathel]

sorry about the spelling mistake i have a spelling disorder and were going to put a 327 with a tunnal ram and 2 demon 4 barrel carbs so it's all american he canged his mind to his buying his owen supra for this project so if u know any one selling a supra for cheap let us know

[Supra_devil]

i might, will ask.

[CanuckDave]

eh sorry, no offence man, and you have better spelling than the large majority of people who post on internet forums anyway, no worries :thumbup:

[dualtips]

well it might also go big block so it would need the room that comes in the mkIII, and don't say there isn't more room under the hood of an mkIII cause there is!

Ray

[Supra_devil]

the mk2 has more room under the engine bay, look at how well a 7m fits and you will see what i mean, the frame rails on a mk3 sit higher, which decreases the amount of useable room for a wide motor quite a bit. overall, a mk2 would be cheaper, lighter, and overall better for a project like this.

[dualtips]

well a dart is better than a charger but that doesn't mean everyone is gonna use a dart!

[Supra_devil]

true, but smart people will listen to the advice and knowledge given them and will use it.

there are many reasons why i say a mk2 is cheaper. the fact that you can buy a cheap one with rust for 500 or less. strip it, do some welding, and you have a drag car. where as a mk3 would cost a lot more, people ask 2000 even for rusted out piles of NA crap.

[dualtips]

well i can say that my dad is sick of rusty MKII's and he don't care if it's na crap

[Supra_devil]

ok, well he can do what he wants. but 800 lbs is a lot of weight to get moving off the line. i've seen mk2's run low 12's with 350 hp, in a full weight car with stock springs and drag radials.

thats my opinion, just informing you as to why it is what it is. myself, i want a drag mk2, fixing a little rust on a drag car is simple, weld a plate over it, don't need to be pretty.

but, if a v8's your poison, one could always get a 3rd gen celica, RWD, lighter than a supra.

[dualtips]

it's just not the same cool factor and if he goes mkII he can't have the IRS cause it will blow up

[Supra_devil]

yes he can, a true trac LSD will handle 500hp for years at a time on drag radials, proven. and a narrowed 9" rear axle is the best drag axle to use, regardless of platform, a 9" ford axle has huge aftermarket, you can choose any gear ratio, and get gears that will handle 1500hp if you so choose.

[dualtips]

yeah but it's his mind he is old and he wants a car with power that is still streetable and he can't do that with the mkII plus the mk III parts are way easier to come by, which makes up for the cost of the car

[Supra_devil]

I disagree. but i don't feel like stretching this conversation on any more.

besides, if hes old and stubborn, nothing i say online will change his mind.

[Deep_Blue]

I agree with Glenn, and good luck finding MKIII parts...

Tim

[dogstar]

if he wants to go fast and be streetable, tell him to buy a mustang and drop in a 460.

10 second quarters are cheap.

[bboy_leathel]

he hates ford and would never give it the honor of going that fast nether would i

[James Earl]

bboy_leathel,
How much does he want/have to spend on a shell. I can find one fast if he is serious about it.

Let me know.

[Deep_Blue]

Hey Earl!

My buddy Drikkie's looking for a shell too, so don't forget about him either (not completely stripped down, just doesn't need an engine).

I hate fords too, so I guess that we can all share our hatred of ford together!

Tim

[James Earl]

Post up what a reasonable price would be and I'll see what I can find. I have no idea what a person would pay for a body/shell.

And a rating as to condition. usable to perfect comes to mind.

[Deep_Blue]

Drikkie is looking in the $1000 range right now, but he wants a reasonably good body. We've been talking to Nick, and there's a good cahnce he might pick up that car, and then the gravy train would open up for people that wanted parts he isn't going to use.

Tim

[Supra_devil]

i love fords. doing consistant 11 and 12 second quarter miles from the bargain finder, for less than almost any other car out there, thats awesome.

<plans on building a fox body later in life.

[bboy_leathel]

he just want to find an mkIII he can do everything else him self for almost free so if any one has an mkII or a mkIII pm me

[James Earl]

he just want to find an mkIII he can do everything else him self for almost free so if any one has an mkII or a mkIII pm me

OK you sre not getting it....how much will he spend on a shell? I might be able to find one for him.

Url

[bboy_leathel]

not to much money just some what old one for cheap he likes to fix them so it can be as bad as u can find for cheap maybe 100 to 1500 at the most

[James Earl]

Here is one I found in the bargain finder:
87 Toyota Supra, non turbo, standard 226,000km, leather, good clutch, fully loaded, $1400 obo
Tel: 403-285-8592

Might be the same one as I saw on beyond.ca....if it is it's sold already but you never know?

Edit:
I called and it is still for sale. It is maroon and can be driven back to town if needed.

Darryl is the guys name but he says he has two guys looking at it today.

[Deep_Blue]

I'll check at the end of the day and see if Drikkie is interested in it, but some of the things posted in the ad are telltales of problems. I'll enlighten everyone on that when I have spare time.

Tim

P.S. Would be good for a stripped out shell though.