car - 1, me - 0

[dogstar]

so, im really hating my car right now...

first its running stupidly rich, so i go and change the injectors. (thanks dave for the trade)
get it all together and its got a nice leak in the intake manifold, but whatever, it idles, horray.

so, tonight i fix the leak, and the slut wont start.
cant get it to stay running long enough to adjust the timing and idle... joy.
i really want to introduce the engine to mr.hammer...

this engine is driving me nuts.

[Deep_Blue]

I think it's time to dump her and put in the V8, a sex-change if you will. We've all been in the frustrated stage, (none more than Url). Just walk away and come back without a hammer in hand. That's how I do my papers in school! It's a lot cheaper than replacing my computer screen so many times...

Good luck with it!

*cough*1uz-fe time!

Cheers,

Tim

[James Earl]

I have found a 2x4 to be a very effective engine management system. Hammers are so last decade.

Good luck, it will work fine the minute you give up on it. LOL

[dogstar]

or not... lol, glenn came over and had a look today.

so, now it starts, but wont idle.
gonna gradually replace parts until it runs, unless someone has an auto tranny theyre willing to sell cheaply, need to get the winter pig going soon.

[GOT_BOOST]

Hi Barry,

Sorry to hear of the supra blues! I too have found the threatned use of force on the car will help pursuade it to think differently. When all else fails I just calmly tell it "I will tow you to the crusher and push the button my self" That will get some action! :D

Perhaps the car is receiving too much fuel now? Maybe your ECU is not able to compensate enough for the AFM readings. Too much fuel, too little air. Perhaps it may be time for an AFC or Bob can hookyou up with that megasquirt program.

Mike Nikolai

[dogstar]

no... it seems like too little fuel now.

basically this is the list of things ive replaced.
its not the:
afm
ignitor/coil
distributor
spark plugs
distributor cap/rotor
ecu
injectors
fuel rail
regulator
j tube
upper intake manifold/gasket
cold start injector
idle speed screw
timing

it shouldnt be the fuel filter either, as its less than 15k km old...possible, but i doubt it.

[Deep_Blue]

Could be a general clog in the fuel lines. A guy posted on SF with a very similar proble, and that's what it was. Alternately, maybe the TPS is jst messed up. I don't know mkiis like I do mkiiis...

Tim

[dogstar]

wow, this is fun times... going to try replacing the throttle body tomorrow, and the entire plastic/rubber intake tract.

im assuming that wont do anything, so im going to pull off the upper intake manifold again and try permatex ultra copper, cause apparently its either cracked, or factory gaskets are crap.

so much for my week of holidays :(

[GOT_BOOST]

no... it seems like too little fuel now.

basically this is the list of things ive replaced.
its not the:
afm
ignitor/coil
distributor
spark plugs
distributor cap/rotor
ecu
injectors
fuel rail
regulator
j tube
upper intake manifold/gasket
cold start injector
idle speed screw
timing

it shouldnt be the fuel filter either, as its less than 15k km old...possible, but i doubt it.

Hi Barry,

My next logical thought is the fuel pump. You just upgraded your injectors, perhaps your fuel pump is not producing enough line pressure to provide an adequate supply of fuel and pressure to the injectors? Perhaps it is time to upgrade the pump to something more fierce.

Mike Nikolai

[Supra_devil]

he didn't upgrade the injectors, and the stock pump would be more than capable of supplying for an NA 5m anyways.

[dogstar]

i HAD bigger injectors, and i downgraded back to stock.

going to probably do the fuel pump soon anyways.

[GOT_BOOST]

Hi Glenn and Barry,

Sorry guys for some reason I was under the impression that you upgraded your injectors. I wonder if your injectors are dirty or clogged? Did you connect all the injector clips back in the right order? Perhaps one clip is loose or broken. It may not be a bad idea to take a look and recheck all the electrical connections in the engine bay. Asides from that the next hing I would think of is the ECU is toast, but the ECU should not give out like that from reducing the size of the injectors.

Can you retrace your steps in the order when you first started to change the injectors? You may find some answers there.

Mike Nikolai

[Supra_devil]

the symptoms started long ago mike, way before the last week, i'm thinking your way uninformed, lol.

if you look at his list he already tried a different ecu too.

[GOT_BOOST]

the symptoms started long ago mike, way before the last week, i'm thinking your way uninformed, lol.

if you look at his list he already tried a different ecu too.

Hi Glenn,

Sorry I missed the ECU. :lol: So now I am confused. Is the issue with his car just not running now that he changed the injectors? I knew he had problems running rich before, but when I was reading his post I was under the impression that the car not starting or starting and running long enough to set the timing to the correct specs.

Is the engine receiving enough fuel? If so then it is either an air issue, or maybe an electrical issue, or an issue with the TB set up. Perhaps something inside the TB is not working right. (Ie) the butterfly flap to controll the air flow into the engine?

Mike Nikolai

[CanuckDave]

well last weekend we traded injectors, I need bigger ones for going turbo, so I traded his 210s for my stock 182s which I had flow and leak tested the week before (with great results, all as they should be). I also put all new seals on them, so injectors shouldn't be the issue. the problem is now that the car will start up, and run when given gas, but if you let off it'll sputter off and die, last I saw it anyway. the engine is definitely getting fuel, we could tell that the rail was getting pressure, and that the injectors are working. its not running rich now, but it sure isn't idling properly

[dogstar]

i dislike the way my automobile runs.

i believe its time for a winter shitpile, or to find an auto tranny for my other supra.

[Deep_Blue]

Didn't Malaria offer you a tranny or something like that? Throw the 1UZ in!!!

Tim

[CanuckDave]

heheh if only the 1UZ swap was as easy as "throwing it in" lol

he needs an auto tranny for the other mkII in his driveway. the red beast.

btw Barry, I've been seeing some cheap toaster vans popping up on buysell.com.. that would be a wicked winter beater, I think you need one.

[dogstar]

not cheap enough, and id prefer a toyota pickup, but good luck finding one in decent shape under $800ish.

malaria offered a tranny depending if he can get his swap running (least thats how i understood it), which is perfectly reasonable.
but reasonability dont get me to work tomorrow, lol.

the 1uz swap will be 4000-8000 and shit load of hard work... the second you start financing it is when ill start throwing it in.

[Deep_Blue]

Sorry dude, busy financing my own dreams. Maybe when i finish school I'll be able to afford sch luxuries. Good luck getting everything to work out!

Cheers,

Tim

[dogstar]

well, the supras being a whore, and its hibernating time for it anyways... bought a geo storm! woo woo... go $400 car
oh, but hell on you suckas.... ive got a 35 liter tank, and so far im getting 160km from less than a quarter tank.

and i can drift mcdonalds trays :D

[Deep_Blue]

THE Geo Storm?

Wow!!! :bow:

With that sexy beast I bet you turned the supra into the beater right?

Wow, good find man! Congrats on getting a sweet new car!!!

Cheers,

Tim

[Souljah]

That's some crazy stuff right there.
I got some great tray sliding videos with a '91 civic, a neon, and i think a geo metro is in there too...

Maybe I'll post them up a lil later

-Ryan

[dogstar]

hahahah, hey tim, what kinda milage a pig get? 20ish?

im rather enjoying my 30+ mpg, and hey, its pink, girls like pink :D

[Deep_Blue]

Well, my supra is a bit sexier than the average pig, but I figure it must get about 18mpg maybe a bit less. $65 buys me about 400km (at least the last time I drove it). If I want good mileage, I borrow the Corolla my dad bought for commuting. It gets about 43mpg (the highest rating for a non-hybrid car). In his car $25 buys you 700km.

As for your pink Geo, well, I would love to see a Storm in Pink, I've only seen them in red. That sounds like such an 80s car! I have tosay once again, nice find! I can't wait to see you pull up in it on Sunday!

Cheers,

Tim

[bboy_leathel]

have u changed ur fuel pump

[bboy_leathel]

did u lean out ur lines and gas tank when u changed the injectors thats what was wrong with my bro mkII there was rust in the tank and the car was starting on the coold start injector and the other were plug so if theres rust in the tank then you re pluged ur new injectors just a suggesting hope the problem isn't that bad it toke hours to fix my bro but we were also getting a new gas tank

[Deep_Blue]

I don't understand what your comments have to do with my car's bad mileage, assuming that's what they're in reference to. Please explicate.

Tim

[Supra_devil]

i believe he is giving suggestions for barrys problems, guessing by the mention of changing injectors and such.

[Deep_Blue]

That makes sense. I'm just so damn self-centred sometimes. :D

Tim

[dualtips]

when mine did something like that the fuel pump was gone and the gas tank was full of rust

YUCK!

[dogstar]

thanks for the suggestion, but the fuel filter would get plugged long before the injectors.
i havent changed the pump, nor the filter, im f**kin sick of working on it right now.

ill figure it out over winter, then when the 1uz goes in, all will be right in the world again, till it breaks or the diff goes.

did u lean out ur lines and gas tank when u changed the injectors thats what was wrong with my bro mkII there was rust in the tank and the car was starting on the coold start injector and the other were plug so if theres rust in the tank then you re pluged ur new injectors just a suggesting hope the problem isn't that bad it toke hours to fix my bro but we were also getting a new gas tank