Being a club aint easy...

[James Earl]

Here is a thread you may have noticed on 780Tuners. It is from Darcy from EPC and he feels his club is failing.

I can understand what his feelings are and I see why his club appears to be coming apart.

http://forums.780tuners.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32901

I guess I am looking for your thoughts on this perspective and what you think our club will see in the future.

[grandmaster]

I think that for the supraclub to work, we need to address some of the issues that the prelude club has before they become problems for us.

Loss of Members:
we need to ensure that our club is not found to be "too exclusive". This doesn't seem to be a problem as we seem pretty supportive of those with "project" cars. Who has a supra that isn't a "project"? We're not here to compete as to who has the fastest car or who has the most flashy add-ons; but to get our cars to be the best we can be for our given calendars and budgets. We just need to get news of our club to other by word of mouth. People who have supras love thier cars. Most are just anaware that there is a club. I'll be adding another member to the club in the spring. I should heve the mk2 up and running for my sister in the spring. Watch out for this car, I have some crazy plans for it

Cost:
We currently have no set membership fee. This is a good thing. We shouldn't force costs on people just to show up to a few events. To cover costs we need to make the club more business minded. We have companies listed in the forums; why are they there? If you want to be a sponsor, you should have to pay. Advertising has a cost. If they want to have thier name on the site and have thier shop recommended by club members, they should have to cover some of the costs

Meets
We are moving in the right direction with these. We need to build on what we have accomplished already. Make the sun toyota meet annual..perhaps some people bring out a bbq and everyone bring thier own meet. Place some posters up at Sun toyota and other dealers a month in advance. We also have an email list for our club and I would suggest we send out an email before the meets. I missed a coulple of meets this summer when I checked the website too late

Support:
we need to provide shoulders to cry on. I know I have had thoughts of getting rid of the supra a few times when things got a bit rough. We should also encourage our members to get involved in the website (update thier photo gallaries etc) and we should put some more input into it ourselves (3 or 4 posts a day doesn't provide a very intersting web site)

That's all I have. I hope it wasn't too long winded. Let me know if you like any of my ideas or think that they suck. Also let me know if you need any help with the club...I'm available

[Supra_devil]

fees to be our sponsors? they already give us deals when they are getting little to no business from us, and you want them to pay? your stupid if you think that will happen.

We are on the right path with meets, carding, word of mouth, etc. financially i'm not sure on the numbers but Earl dwould know, but basically any profit from the t-shirts and suck is for the club to do things. BBQ's and such we all just grab stuff on the way and there is lots for everyone.

We are already liked by Apex for our dyno days and my constant spending money there and with Travis at Mopac. Mopac can't set up a deal for us but if you talk to travis and tell him Glenn sent you to him to see what kind of deal he can make you i'll guarentee a few bucks off.

I think its still too early to tell what will happen next year. there will be much more work done to the cars, but most of us don't show up to UC meets and Wednesdays meets for various reasons, and thats a big spot to get our name out there, if everyone sees the same few mk2 and mk3 guys out there then its not going to even register to them to tell their friends with supras about it, if we can get more showing, park together at events and meets so people see us, and some of us will get our cars done as well, so we will have some serious hardware to show. that will go a long way.

[CanuckDave]

yeah, it not easy to keep a club running, it takes dedication from a lot of people to keep interest up. I think next year should be a good year for us. with a lot of projects to be completed next spring, we should have some good things to show at bud park and DTP, things like that and if we can make a good showing at tracks / shows word will get out.
I'm very much in support of having the club being supported by the sale of stickers / shirts etc, its a lot easier than dealing with membership fees, regardless of how low they are its hard to get people to spend money on something that they aren't getting a product or service per say for.
as for as support, thats what the site is for, got problems, feeling shitty about the car and wanting to sell it? post up, I guarantee you people will reply quickly to help you out and convince you otherwise about selling your car :) (unless its to buy another supra / cressida lol)

[CanuckDave]

we should put some more input into it ourselves (3 or 4 posts a day doesn't provide a very intersting web site)

well we're still a relatively small member base, so I don't expect these forums to be buzzing with activity. that said, there are still a few of us who post quite regularly, and will be doing more so when we get into our projects, posting write ups and pics (glenn has already been doing so).

I have plans for this site, having content will attract members and keep current members interested, but all of that takes a fair amount of time, and thats something I'll have more of over the winter..

[Deep_Blue]

Hey guys!

Well, this is sort of what I was talking about with an earlier thread I started.

There are a number of excellent points brought up by the EPC members (and non-members) that we can apply to our club in the future. The thing is that our club is (and will be in the future) very different from the prelude club. This is b/c our cars are so different from eachother. Now, basically we need to decide if we want to be a bunch of guys that hang out and talk about cars, or do we want to attack this from a business perspective. I'm a businessman, so I attack things from a business perspective.

SPONSORS

Simon, you've got some fantastic points, but I'd have to argue that it doesn't make sense for sponsors to pay to sponsor us right now, at least not in cash. We do get discounts, and that definitely counts. If we represent at car shows and have banners with our sponsors on them, then yes, they are paying cash for that privilege, or the cost of some service, for example, a car polish. If we decide to go this route, then we can certainly start charging our sponsors.

MEMBERSHIP

I'm still torn about this, I like for the club to be free, but I also want to have the club subsidize group buys, and you can't do this if anyone can get in on the group buy and have there portion subsidized b/c they joined for free. Maybe we could make it so you have to be in the club for a certain amount of time to be subsidzed and then membership could still be free, benefits would be on a probational basis... I like that.

MEETS

I agree with Simon, we are definitely moving the right direction with meets, but we should have more notice, and an e-mail list is a great idea, or some sort of newsletter (I know we tried this earlier). I would like to work hard to put together some really unique meets that create an experience more than just meet at Url's pool (I'm not dissing Url, I love your pool) and talk about cars. I have a ouple of ideas that I'll be happy to share in the future. I also have some ideas to help get us some more members.

SUPPORT

This is key. We can't just have a blank-faced club, we need to build a Supra community with each other, and I love where we've headed with this so far.I have made phone calls and gotten parts, had someone who didn't know me but was in the same club as me help push my busted supra to the side of the road, and I have offered tools in return. I think part of this is not letting our club get too big. If there is that much demand, then we need more than one supra club in Edmonton, and I don't think that's the case.

We should definitely rework our website (although Dave has done a great job by himself). The front page lacks, and the updates are few and far between (once again Dave, you have done a great job within your time constraints). I think we need to build a brand, and I do have a lot of experience in that area, so I'd be happy to help if that's what we want to do. Also, as one guy said on 780, meeting during the winter is key, that's when admin gets done, and keeps everybody tight all year round. A lot of projects are completed in the winter as well.

Let's definitely talk about this on dyno day in an organized fashion. I have lots more to add!

Cheers guys!

Tim




The great thing we don't have to worry about that EPC does, is that our cars are cheap! I can buy five or six supras for the cost of one newer model 'lude. So, I am confidant that many of the things that give them membership problems will not affect us

[Black_fin]

This club has a really great group of members and i've found nothing but positive support here, You're even accepting members outside of Edmonton and that really looks good on ya. Everytime i stop and chat with another supra owner down here i always make sure to mention this club even though my participation has been minimal. That will change soon enough.

Perhaps we can offer business cards to help promote the site. Just something i can download in a sheet of several and print off myself to place under wiperarms and auto wrecker cars. Or if we want to take a new direction with the club and attract a wider variety of people maybe start welcoming more celicas and cressidas. I have a feeling there's a lot out there but are too intimidated by the supra. Just my two cents. 8)

[Deep_Blue]

We have accepted cressideas quite a bit, and I think that is because they share an engine with a MKIII, the thing about clicas is that they are quite different cars from supras, and I am not sure that the owners of those cars would find their needs fulfilled in a joint club. Also, I'm concerned that a power dichotomy would be created. We still want to keep the club exlusive enough that the owners have a shared knowledge of the vehicles IMHO. But good thinking still!

Also, I would like to get a hand on the template of the ESC business cards so I can print some!

Cheers,

Tim

[grandmaster]

supra_devil...who are you to call me stupid for suggesting sponsors pay? I was just presenting an idea.

[grandmaster]

supra_devil...who are you to call me stupid for suggesting sponsors pay? I was just presenting an idea.

[James Earl]

Tim,
This is the word doc I used for the first cards. It was a do it yourself job. http://members.shaw.ca/ewiber/BizCard.doc

Cressida’s use both MKii and MKiii motors and starting in 93 they became Supra MKiv powered Lexus coupes

I have a disk I have to get into a printer & I will have 500 BIZ cards do soon. I just keep forgetting sorry guys.

Url

[James Earl]

Grandmaster,
I would think what Supra_Devil's statement was more along the lines of “it would be stupid for the dealerships to give us cash at this time. We are an unproven, unknown club at this time. By the end of next year it will be a different story for sure.

The Idea was not new as I mentioned that we will be asking the dealerships for cash for our shits next year. I have an artist that will design a shirt for us that will look amazing and I will ask the dealers to pay for them to have their names on them. We resell the shirts to the members for 100% profit, cause our cost it $0, and use that cash for the server etc. This will keep our shirt costs down to the $10 to $15 range each while keeping a fee less (free) club.

This is more along the lines of what you are saying, yeah?
Url.

[James Earl]

All,
I would be more than happy to discuss this type of thinking and other ideas at the meets but when only 3 or 4 people make it out to “hang by my pool” I am really not into wasting my time because the majority of the club has not made it out. I do accept that life is like that and I am in no rush as this is a fun club and not a business. This winter we will get this pulled together for next year and we will be known.

Do not loose faith,
Url

[Deep_Blue]

Grandmaster,
We will be asking the dealerships for cash for our shits next year. Url.

Ummm.. Url...I'm pretty sure that no matter how good of a club we have, the dealerships will not give us cash for our shits.
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I'm sorry buddy, but I couldn't let that hilarious spelling error pass.

Back to our regularly scheduled supra program.

Cheers,

Tim

[James Earl]

Umm no cash for boosted poo? Liars!

[Supra_devil]

supra_devil...who are you to call me stupid for suggesting sponsors pay? I was just presenting an idea.

look at this from a business point of view. We ive this club discounts cuz they talked to us, cool enough. However most of the business' have recieved little to no real business from us, therefore why in the hell would they start paying us money? short of putting stickers on our cars for them, they have no reason too. And yes it was a stupid suggestion, any sponsor would tell us to fuck off and possibly quit giving us deals just for suggesting such a thing. Thats why i said it was a stupid idea.

And i for one refuse to put stickers for anything other than the club on my car unless they are giving me intercoolers, suspension parts, or tires. thats why i said it.

A couple of you guys are looking at this from too much of a business point of view, we are not a business, and the people who started and run this club currently don't see it becoming one, so please don't treat it like one.
Also, I fully welcome cressidas, since most of them have a mk2 engine, not mk3 as previously said. Also they have mk2 front suspension and mk3 rear (except the wagons). after like '88 or something they started using the 7m, and there aren't really a lot of them around being worked on.
Celicas, well just look at bobs, 22rte, with a ball bearing turbo. They also share many similar parts, GT-S' use supra IRS, and some of the electronics are interchangable too, not to mention that from the firewall back the bodies are identical.

We are a club, and most of the points brought up have been talked about before and we decided to make plans and make a more formal setup over winter at in person meets. Wait a second here, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. Wait till the damned Dyno Day meet to discuss this in person, will be much better that way.

[James Earl]

after like '88 or something they started using the 7m,

That’s what I was talking about for the Cressies....89 ~ 92 have the 7m-ge in them. IE. MKiii Supra motor.

The Lexus IS 300 I think has the 1J or 2J in it. Whatever, they would play in the Lexus club I think. Oh well.

Enough "jacking" of my own thread.

I posted this up because I wanted to see what you guys thought of Darcy's post. Some of his points are valid but pertain to the fact that he is still trying to run the club as a business. He seems to express the fact that without the constant influx of "business" activities it would just be some guys hanging out talking cars.....working on cars….enjoying their cars. A failure in his eyes.

I helped to make this club for one reason.

Parts, hands on work, advice, how to’s, deals on new parts, cheap used parts, moral support, advice on how to get things done, explanations of why things do what they do, and so on. I am going to design some cool shirts for next season and with any money made I have to give some to Dave for paying for this site. This year we did not sell enough to cover costs or the key chains & BIZ cards would be done. They will come soon enough.

[James Earl]

Ha ha ha ...I just noticed the change
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Master post whore A.K.A. club president


I thought Dave was well ahead of me....maybe thats just on 780. LOL

[Deep_Blue]

Hello everyone!

Respectfully to anyone who disagrees: Running a club like a business gives the most benefit to its members.

The reason is because when you run things like a business (only a select few members of the club need do this), things are more well organized, and money is made that can be invested into the club. That is why the business model exists. Not for corporations to exist, as a layman may be led to believe, but to allow a person or a group of people to organize themselves using set guidelines, this is why I recommended earlier we jhave set positions that were held by members. These people could handle the club's business while everyone else enjoyed the club. This is also why I suggested earlier that we change these people out every year or so via some sort of election process. So that they can go from taking car of the club's business back to enjoying the benefits.

Without some sort of business plan, we're just a bunch of guys who like supras, not a club. Certainly not a club that can afford to keep a website running without donations, and certainly not a club that can gain power in the local import scene, attract sponsors, and give REAL benefits to it's members.

Disagree with me? That's understandable, but look at the T-shirts that we sold to members. That was a business move! The club made money to help pay for it's website.

Look at the car show we had. That was a business move! We had a car show that allowed us to meet while attracting notice from people outside the club that would be interested perhaps in joining the club, and increasing our numbers (By the way, did we ever send Sun Toyota a thank you card or anything?).

A business model does not mean that we have sold out, or that we're not doing this for the love of supras anymore. Charities have business plans and models, every club at the U of A has business models. It is a means of subsistence, and a reference for future growth. It lets us know where we're headed, and how ewe're going to get there.

Some may argue that we should not talk about this until winter. Well, we will discuss this at that time, certainly, but in the mean time, we need to take this thread to heart, and ask ourselves, 'What do I want out of this club?" and then bring those thoughts to the meetings we have over the winter. And we will discuss this much more at the dyno day I would like to hope (We will have six hours where we're doing mostly nothing).

Simon, your ideas were not stupid, but they will prove to be more useful in the future than now. You're head is in the right place buddy!

Glenn, I know you will probably disagree with most of what I said, and I respect that. But I am simply applying my knowledge to our club the best that I can.

Thanks for anyone who read this and considers what I 've said.

Cheers,

Tim

[grandmaster]

It pisses me off when someone who doesn't know my background tears down my ideas like that. What do you know about sponsorships anyways? Have you negatioated sponsorships with JIC and Status Racing, or have negotiated discounts of up to 50% with companies such as Fluidyne and RC Engineering such as myself? Maybe if you get some sponsorships under your belt you can let us know exactly how they work. I know the club is small, but that is the best time to organize things so that we will be set for the future. If not, I don't see the club lasting any more than 2 more years.

[James Earl]

I agree the time is now to get this sorted out. In my mind it is winter now...no more BBQ's. LOL

I knew when we started this project 5 months ago that this summer would be a loss when it comes to structure. I make no claim to know the car scene in Edmonton. I will rely on the combined skills and knowledge provided by our members to help define the direction of the club for the next year. This is why the winter meets will be that much more productive. Wel now have the people and ideas that help to drive us towards our goals.

I do not deny that a business model is required and I have implemented a proprietary model for this club. Not quite as democratic as the corporate model but it will work for now. All members can contribute information, ideas and skills to assist with the evolution of this club.

Simon,
I look forward to hearing from you how sponsors work as I have never done this kind of negotiation your experience will be an asset to the club.

Tim,
Your business education will be of great help when it comes time to register for non-profit status and other actual business activities.

Dave,
Your help with the website and poster development is appreciated beyond what I could express in words…I hope to give you cash soon. LOL (for payment of the webpage).

Glenn,
The hours you spend turning wrenches for this club is amazing. I know if I have a question about how it works or why it don’t; you are the one to ask.

Mike,
Mike is sales. You could sell this gas-guzzling club to sprout chewing tree huggers if needed. If he and Simon combine forces I see almost free parts coming our way.

And I could go on but to be honest I have no idea what untapped skills we have at our disposal, which will come out in time.

Url

[Supra_devil]

a small club will not be able to generate such sponsors, that what i said, not saying in 2 years when we have 50 active members instead of like 12 we couldn't get deals or sponsors, but right now as me AND earl said, we are a small, untested, unknown club. No ones going to give use money to be a sponsor or give us parts to be a sponsor.

As far as making deals with companies, your right the only companys i have willing to give me better deals than anyone else right now is Travis at Mopac, Travis and Karl at Apex, and Dwayne with CFX is willing to give me a deal on a CF hood. Your right, i suck. Yes the same Apex that we are dynoing at that will be less than half cost per person to dyno, hey that 50% off!!!

What do i want from this club, i want a club, not some business, not something where we vote people in and out and play favourites, cuz say what you want that will happen. I want to hang out with guys, i want to help people out (like we did with Malaria and Mike not long ago), i want to have a fun club, not a business club.
I know one of the founders of the original edmonton supra club, his 83-84 mk2 (can't remember off the top of my head) was voted nicest in edmonton for 3 years. Do you know why the original club ended? because it turned too much into a business and not enough like a club, so many of its knowledgable and active members left. Theres some history for ya.

And grandmaster, the only idea of yours i didn't agree with was making sponsors pay, so don't try and make it sound like I tore apart your entire post and tore it up and spat it in your face please.

[Supra_devil]

Now i never said that planning and a model would be bad, but i don't think running this like a full on business right now will be the best idea, it will alienate some of the new members we want to bring in, cuz they expect a car CLUB, not a car business. Some people don't want to buy t-shirts, or stickers, or key chains. Many people will refuse till the day they die to pay member ship fees.
Now i hate to say it but i don't see you guys out there turning wrenches for other people, i don't see you guys at meets talking to people and givingg us a name. I am, all the time, i have offered to EVERY person on here who needs help.

[Supra_devil]

Without some sort of business plan, we're just a bunch of guys who like supras, not a club.

Isn't that what a club is for :dunno:

[grandmaster]

Sorry..it just seems like you're not very open for discussion and were placing a tone on your responses that was degrading. Maybe I was misreading. We just need to explore all the options for the club's future. I appreciate your input. We need to come up with a plan that incorperates the best of both worlds instead of attacking each other. Let me know if you have any questions or thoughts.

[James Earl]

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[Supra_devil]

i thought today about how to say this.
ok, i don't like the fact that i sound like an asshole online, but i don't like to beat around the bush and make things sound like a lawyers letter, ya know what i mean, I say my point. Any of you who have had to have me describe something even in person will know that i have some troubles describing things so other can visualize it. So i know that causes me issues with online discussions, that is why i so adamently wish for most of this to be talked about in person, once i understand people points of view and they understand mine then an online discussion will become easier for all of us.
Now, thats about as close as i can accurately describe it. So now that we are done having a big Glenn's an asshole fest, can we just wait till the meet and discuss this in greater detail? which was all i wanted anyways.

[James Earl]

So now that we are done having a big Glenn's an asshole fest,

:eek: Sorry Glenn this thread is not all about "you". I thought it was about a power struggle for the control of the club. Really you are so full of yourself sometimes. (damn kids now-a-days, think they know it all).


:lol: Secret message below:
(Please note for those of you too uptight to have a sense of humor that this post was a joke and meant to harm no one but Glenn cause he really is an asshole.) :roll:

[Supra_devil]

LOL, funny earl funny. however i realize that i kind of started the whole heated discussion there, which was not the point of your posting the topic, so i'll apoligize for it like a man, and yes i am kind of an asshole sometimes, i can admit that too.
But i'm nothing compared to you :) grumpy old jack ass

offtopic, i got some 1" hose today for my BOV, was cheap, Dave paid for it cuz he owed me money, lol.

love the new name too :thumbup:

[James Earl]

I want to see it say
Master post whore A.K.A. club president = biatch

So ya noticed I pulled like 10 posts outta this thread....pushed me over 500 with only 1% actual content. LOL

I think online debate helps weed out the shit and defines the root issues here. If you read the posts (without getting your panties in a bunch) you will see that everybody here wants the same thing. The conflict lies in the how to get there.

[celica83_gts]

Yeah! What URL said! I'd like to comment from the perspective of a member of a failed club, Celica/Supra Club.

This club has something already that our old Celi club couldn't manage, and that is a constant stream of people coming into the group through this forum. Some will stay, some will go. Some will be active while others won't. These things are normal, as long as faces keep turning up at meets and posts continue on the site there will be a club.

I believe there can be a place for everyone's different ideas within one club if we all approach it with an open mind. Some of us prefer to get our hands dirty while others lean toward more "white collar" types of things. If we can accept one another we can all benefit from each others individual talents, which is, to me, what a club should be all about.

the thing about clicas is that they are quite different cars from supras, and I am not sure that the owners of those cars would find their needs fulfilled in a joint club. Also, I'm concerned that a power dichotomy would be created. We still want to keep the club exlusive enough that the owners have a shared knowledge of the vehicles IMHO. But good thinking still!

Tim, if you mean a HORSEpower dichotomy, you'd better be ready to back it up! As far as fulfilling needs goes, I'm quite happy to be in this club, my car is mostly Supra anyway. And though I may not be intimate with all Supras, I think my knowledge can be applied in most instances on ANY car. Soooo, I think that if a person wants to join us they should be able to as long as they don't try to change the name to Celiclub.ca or something. (hmmm, that has a nice ring to it!)

Bob

[Deep_Blue]

Tim, if you mean a HORSEpower dichotomy, you'd better be ready to back it up!


Hahaha! Bob, damn right I'll back that up.

Let's dyno in the spring, my sup' will break your celica in half! :wink:

As for celicas, everyone sort of misunderstood what I said, I mostly meant the new celicas, (FWD vs. RWD, 4 banger vs. 6). I agree, your car has the heart of a supra!

Cheers,

Tim

[James Earl]

Celiclub.ca! Heritic! Ban him!

[Deep_Blue]

Just keep whoring it up Url!

[James Earl]

OK, my thread, i can

[Deep_Blue]

You aren't even adding anything useful! :dunno:

[James Earl]

Yeah sorry, By definitiom I am Trolling.

I'll try to whore it up a bit now.

So what do you think of my avitar? Pretty cool eh? I really like it, it's so clean and crisp.

It makes a nice addition dont you think?

Is this more value added?

[Malaria]

i think the fact that we dont have idiot ppl that contribute to the rice ideology(holy big word batman, i dont think i spelled that word right) to ruin or image of friendly aprochable (sp?) members who are knowlageable (i know i didnt spell that right!).

I dont have a supra that runs (that seems to be common in this club...im sorry mike) i have a cressida, but ppl are still nice to me, and even help me trouble shoot (alot) and answer my stupid questions like "glenn how do i roll my fenders."

so what im getting at (play applicable music here) is we have an accomidating atmosphere, and we arnt so nieve to think we are the best and everyone else who dosent have a supra can go fuck them selfs.

[Supra_devil]

I want to see it say
Master post whore A.K.A. club president = biatch


I had Dave change not just yours, but mikes too, lol. i think his is better, although yours is probably more factual.

i need to keep my posts up to you whore's.

[dogstar]

(Please note for those of you too uptight to have a sense of humor that this post was a joke and meant to harm no one but Glenn cause he really is an asshole.) :roll:

that he is...
lol

i think that i need to get off my ass and make a few suggestions, but im too tired to think tonite.

[GOT_BOOST]

Hi everyone,

Alright, it is time for me to chime in. :D

There are alot of good posts and ideas here. I think we are losing sight of the club here. The club was originally established for supra owners to gather, share information and have a good time together. The club has expanded to include Cressida members, and celica members.

Everyone has different objectives for their cars. Some want to achieve low 1/4 mile times, some highest HP #'s, some to get their car to run and keep it running is a feat all on its own.

I think that the club needs to set out some goals as to what we would like to achieve as a group. I do not believe that installing a formal structure is the way to go at this time. Our membership has grown exponentially since inception. Some people are active users, others prefer to lurk, or are affraid to post up and speak out. I think that as the club becomes larger, then yes we will need to introduce some sort of formal structure with a Prez, vice prez, and other positions voted in as they arise. I currently see the club working well as a collective of people and ideas. I see this format working well in the future too. Is this the end all be all of how the club should be run? No, as times change, people change, clubs evolve. We could look at revisiting this later when the club needs more of an "official management structure"

Personally, clubs that have a rigid structure turn me off from them. I do not like bureaucracy in a club. The idea of a club is to share ideas, have a good time and so fourth. If we are looking at running and sponsoring events in the future, then yes, we will need a club with a more formal structure where the members would vote and elect club executive positions. We need to look at what the club's purpose is for? Does the club exist to make a profit? Are we going to be a non profit society/club?

It has come to my attention that some members have been put off, or are not entirely feeling welcome by the club. I appologize to those whom feel this way. The club is designed to make all members feel welcome and accepted. We may not agree with eachother, nor like eachother for one reason or another, but remember we need to respect each others opinions. We all have skills that can and will come in handy to help build and strengthen the club. One thing that needs to be clear is that when we are at a club event, or sporting the supra club decals on our cars we are representing the club. We need to be mindfull of our actions.

If anyone would like to address something please feel free to speak up, you can send me an email, or PM me, Earl or Dave if you like. Your corespondance will be kept confidential.

Mike Nikolai