Ec Automotive Machining quote *too expensive :(*

[Nick]

OK guys I am getting my engine rebuilt here and the tally cost is huge they said I had a bad bearing " rod knock " and it caused some major damage. Could you guys please be kind enough to look at this receipt which is in canadian dollars and see what you think I wouldnt neccesarily need done?

qty Description Price Extended Price
6 cyl bore (2 or more) each 25.00 150.00
1 Install layshaft bearings 29.00 29.00
1 resurface block 92.00 92.00
6 Connrod Re-Size (insets) 20.00 120.00
1 Crank Grind (3,4,6,7,8 Cyl) 139.00 139.00
1 Valve Grind 374.00 374.00
1 Tank Clean block 71.00 71.00
1 Adjust Valves 200.00 200.00
1 Assemble Long Block(basic) 468.00 468.00
1 Crankshaft Balancing 264.00 264.00
1 Port & Polish 450.00 450.00
6 Weco Pistons/rings 147.00 882.00
1 ROd bearings 52.64 52.64
1 Main bearing 79.42 79.42
1 Thrust Bearings 14.56 14.56
1 Layshaft Bearings 10.06 10.06
1 Cometic Head Gasket 183.92 183.92
1 Head Gasket Set 260.00 260.00
1 Oil Pan Gasket 17.98 17.98
1 Front Crank Seal 16.18 16.18
1 Rear Main Seal 16.18 16.18
1 Belt Tensioner 67.46 67.46
1 Timing Belt 45.84 45.84
1 Oil Pump 285 285
1 Head Bolt set (arp) 123.84 123.84
1 Rod Bolts (arp) 60.25 60.25


Total 4,785.39



Let me know what you guys think I appreciate it.

[CanuckDave]

ok a couple things I'll point out:

>1 Valve Grind 374.00 374.00

>1 Port & Polish 450.00 450.00

not necessary, but you will gain power both, due to better flow.

>1 Cometic Head Gasket 183.92 183.92

I would find out if thats a stock replacement of mhg, if its not metal, well you're already having the motor pulled
apart, rebuilt and resurfaced so I'd say its definitely worth going with a metal head gasket (HKS, greddy..)

PAGING GLENN TO THREAD he is much more knowledgable than myself, he can tell you what seems necessary or not.

[Supra_devil]

1 Adjust Valves 200.00 200.00 WTF? non-adjustable valves, their hydralic lifters.

6 Weco Pistons/rings 147.00 882.00 Why new pistons? and i've seen them for my 82 supra for less than 300 for new pistons, and 90 for rings.

1 Cometic Head Gasket 183.92 183.92 Get an HKS for 260 from RCTS instead.

1 Head Gasket Set 260.00 260.00 WTF is this?? headgasket is a headgasket, unless this is a gasket set for the intake, etc. in which case this should be under a gasket set for the entire motor which is a bit more for anything decent, toyota was 320-360 can't recall exactly, and it had everything i needed and some.

the rest of it looks like reasonable prices but i don't see why all that has to be done for a rod knowkc problem, thats a complete rebuild with some performance mods.

1 Valve Grind 374.00 374.00
1 Port & Polish 450.00 450.00

these should be discounted under one complete package since the valve seats on the valves and head need to be matched for either process and you in there anyway.

I can throw up my receits for my rebuild but basically it cost me 3000 with a new remanufactured cylinder head with new lifters, valves, springs, retainers, etc. and a 3-angle valve job that was only $500-550.

[CanuckDave]

6 Weco Pistons/rings 147.00 882.00 Why new pistons? and i've seen them for my 82 supra for less than 300 for new pistons, and 90 for rings.

was wondering about that, unless they're overboring, or the pistons f*cked, I don't see a need for new ones



1 Head Gasket Set 260.00 260.00 WTF is this??


I was thinking maybe they just mean gasket set (i.e. exhaust, intake, water pump, valve cover gaskets etc.)
but yeah that did kind of make me wonder when there were two pricings for head gasket

[Nick]

Thanks for all your input guys I really appreciate it. Yea they are boring out the cylinders so I guess I need new pistons but really I guess I will just go for some ross pistons which are only 500 usd including rings and with the us dollar at an all time low I may save a few bucks.

As far as the head work buddy said my valves where almost perfect when I brang it in, I did ask for a 5 angle valve job but honestly for the extra maybe 10 hp it will provide I dont want to be paying upwards of 700 bucks. When I want more hp I will upgrade my fuel system and turbo.


So do you guys think I can negate all this head work?

[Nick]

Also if you havent heard I will be selling my current car to a friend and buying another supra. So really I dont want to buy in all these extras. What i really want is an engine in new condition, with a metal head gasket and arp bolts torqued to 70 lbs. Cause I do not think my friend wants more than 350 maybe 400 horsepower later on. Correct me if im wrong but the 7mgte would be extremely stable with those mods at those horsepower levels.

[Supra_devil]

HKS headgasket and ARP rods torqued to whatever ARP says, headgasket issue no longer there.

i would heavily reccomend head work. look at earl, oversized valves, and port/polish, 232 hp at 5 psi mani. pressure :) these motors like headwork.
also, with a better flowing head the same amount of air can be put into the motor at lower boost, so at the "same" boost level, you will actually be putting more air into the motor, same as running more boost on a stock head. your car will have a much better VE which is always good. it will let you more reliably make those higher power levels.

i checked my receipts. i got a lot of it done for much cheaper(however i don't recomend that place to anyone), take the motor to Extreme machine, or one of a couple others, they are bigger shops with more experiance.

[CanuckDave]

Also if you havent heard I will be selling my current car to a friend and buying another supra. So really I dont want to buy in all these extras. What i really want is an engine in new condition, with a metal head gasket and arp bolts torqued to 70 lbs. Cause I do not think my friend wants more than 350 maybe 400 horsepower later on. Correct me if im wrong but the 7mgte would be extremely stable with those mods at those horsepower levels.

yeah with those supporting mods done, that kind of power is an acheivable goal, and can be reasonably reliable too, when done right.

Extreme machining is where I'm planning to take my motor when I have the money this coming spring, I've heard good things about them. I've got plans to do similar work on my bottom end (head work has already been done), resurfacing for mhg and balancing so I can push lots of boost on my 6m next summer :D

[Nick]

Thing is im just trying to get this car on the road here, I can always take off the head and do head work later, but really I had a 10 year old engine in my car and was running 10 lbs of boost and was LOVING the car I really dont want to spend 2 grand on head work.

[Supra_devil]

then don't, lol. if you can afford it then do it, but it can be done any time later as long as you have the down time over winter or something to do it. you should be able to reuse the HKS headgasket so thats not an issue, only need to replace little gaskets like intake manifold and such.

i always recomend doing things all at once and do it right, thats why people are bugging me about my turbo swap, but i'm trying to do it all at once so i can put it in, and drive the car, no wondering if the hack job somethings gonna hold, etc. just wanna be able to drive it.

[grandmaster]

are you serious? 5G for the motor work? $1100 for the motor from jdmsource and go from there....or just buy Earl's car for 8

http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=22

[Supra_devil]

are you serious? 5G for the motor work? $1100 for the motor from jdmsource and go from there....or just buy Earl's car for 8

http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=22


yes but its a 50/50 chance you need to rebuild that too, JDM motors are not brand new either, there just as old as our motors, and get driven harder most of the time.

[hurricanehyshka]

go talk to the people at park muffler in sherwoord park, they brought in a jdm motor for me and did a whole swap plus new flywheel,and clutch for way cheaper then all that. it will get you on the road with a jdm for cheeper then a rebuilt.
jdm yo thats what i did when my engine (GOT RODKNOCK)

[Nick]

Hey guys im looking for a good shop to put in my engine anyone know any places? tried silverstone.... no thanks .... any other suggestions?

[Supra_devil]

just put it in? or wiring and such as well?
i need more info :) i may be able to help you do it for much cheaper than any shop if its just putting it in.

[Nick]

I need to have it put in and I guess wiring... i have an Simple Digital Systems Engine Management system.

[Supra_devil]

Do you have a garage? putting the motor in is iirc 18 hours toyota book time, thats a lot of money, i can do it in less time and for very little. maybe some food, a 24 pack of pop, and a little cash, lol.
i am eager to help anyone get stuff done as long as they have good facilities for it.

Once its installed then you take it in to get the engine management done, unless it clips into the stock harness, the its nothing to do.

like i said, i am lacking info. I'm only trying to help mind you, if you don't want to do the work yourself then take it in, simple as that.